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...which I will write more about later. Perhaps it's precisely because of this that I'm so irked at having come home to find this article in the NYT.

The gist of it? Seventeen Japanese citizens--elderly citizens, no less--are currently under investigation by the Chinese government on suspicion of having travelled to China for illegal organ transplants. That's odious enough on its own.

But what makes it even worse, and what the NYT article inexplicably fails to mention is why Japanese people go to China for illegal organ transplants. Namely, because Japanese people refuse to be organ donors. Seriously, this is such a well known fact that it's been used as the main plot device in modern American fiction.

And it will never cease to gall and disgust me. If you find the prospect of being an organ donor so repellent, then suck it up and leave the donated to organs to people in societies that don't hold such views.

That will be all.

on 2009-02-18 12:07 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] ontogenesis.livejournal.com
That is pretty sick. I'd heard that there was a problem with Japanese organ donation... which I don't quite understand. Aren't all Japanese required to be cremated? (Although even with an open casket funeral, they can arrange it so you can't tell any organs were removed). Also, I don't think it's a part of Buddhist or Shinto religion that the body should be intact like Orthodox Judaism.

I'm an organ donor. Why the heck do I care what happens to my body when I die, as long as it's respectful? I certainly would rather a human get my organs than a worm.

Hah, the organs go to those with the $$$, just like everything else .

on 2009-02-18 01:06 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] akujunkan.livejournal.com
I'm pretty sure cremation is legally required, yes, or that burial is prohibitively expensive.

I've heard a few people claim that Japanese aversion to donation is based in Buddhist beliefs, but no one who's offered details concerning on part of Buddhist belief those views are based. And anyway, "moral obligation to keep the body intact" and "cremation" seem pretty mutually exclusive to me.

Maybe it's part of a broader pan-Asian practice? I know Joseon-era Korea had cultural injunctions against forcing royalty to commit suicide in any way that harmed the body. (Oh, look! Here I am being just as vague as the people I criticised above...)

True about the money, but what really gets me here is the combination of "I have the money to buy it" + the contempt implicit in receiving an organ (perhaps from a political prisoner) when you'd never dream of donating one yourself.

on 2009-02-18 01:24 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] ontogenesis.livejournal.com
And frankly, most Japanese aren't practicing Buddhists anyway, so I would consider it to be a weak cop-out.

Hmm.... I dunno much about Asia in general, just Japan.

:nods: I almost would like to say that if you won't sign a donor card yourself, you aren't eligible to receive. It's extremely selfish.

on 2009-02-18 01:33 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] enelte.livejournal.com
That NYT ommited the fact that Japaneses refuse to donate organs (that I learnt from you)

and

- Chinese organs are cheaper (why and how)
- Chinese organs transplanting is cheaper (why and how)
- The transaction is safer because it's certainely under high officials' care. The proof is that rarely discovered operations as such (but when Japan is involved how can chinese goverment resist)

And, the waiting for "donation" isnt long.

Those also are the facts that a know-nothing about Japan like me can read between the lines. Those irk me more than a selfish society like Japan doing organs shopping outside its water (and not only japaneses), certainly nothing to be disgusted about because hypocrisy is a popular contemporary sickness in all over the world, mostly hidden in subtency that we hardly recognize. However I'm amazed that those jp doctors in the hospitals you mentioned admitted that they Refuse to donate but Accept donating, so openly. I appreciate open hypocrisy. not because I'm cynique, but because that way I can see things more clearly.

on 2009-02-19 02:28 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] akujunkan.livejournal.com
- The transaction is safer because it's certainely under high officials' care. The proof is that rarely discovered operations as such (but when Japan is involved how can chinese goverment resist)
As well as the ease with which they find compatable "donors"--namely by executing a prisoner (criminal or political) who's a match. It's truly despicable.

But that's the thing: it wasn't open hypocrisy. They literally could not make the logical connection between being willing to receive a donatd organ and becoming donors themselves. This is one of the most striking aspects of Japan to me (and many other non-Japanese with whom I've spoken): that its citizens can so often completely mentally dissociate facts which are so obviously associated to citizens of many other places around the world.

on 2009-02-18 04:44 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] theosakakoneko.livejournal.com
I don't know if it's because I'm not and never have been particularly religious, but the entire concept of someone not being a donor just is so weird to me. It's like...really? Really? Do you think you'll MISS THEM? Do you think it'll HURT? What? I just Don't Get It. At all.

on 2009-02-19 02:30 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] akujunkan.livejournal.com
Exactly! You know, I really dislike the idea of being a donor myself. Not because I have moral objections to donating, but because I DON'T WANT TO DIE.

But seriously? Once I'm dead what the hell is anything else going to matter to me? And since I dislike the idea of dying so damn much, I figure preventing someone else's death or at least improving their quality of life is the least my dead butt can do...

on 2009-02-19 02:35 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] theosakakoneko.livejournal.com
Best answer ever. hahaha
Yeah I'm hoping that I can't be a donor, because while I actually DO want to die someday, I'm kinda hoping I'm too brittle and old to be viable, because I don't really intend to do it for at least another 50-60 years. I'm not sure there's much they can use at that point. That said, if there is something they can use, they are free to peel away my leathery wrinkley skin and take it.

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